Wooops Global (NOT!) Warming News...

[Space Monkey]

Kahlessa, I emailed you this, but I thought I come post it here too!

Climate Audit and Steve McIntyre found a huge error in the NASA data. NASA has agreed. Climateaudit.org site is down because too many other web sites are linking to this story and too much traffic crashed CA's site server!

Keep in mind this is the data collected by, and researched by, and reported by Dr. James Hanson, the scientist that accused the white house of censoring the science of Global Warming. LOL ;D

So 1998 is not the hottest year on record in the USA, 1934 is. What do you have to say Al Gore? LOL

you can read about it here at Anthony Watt's site (hope his site can handle more traffic) :
www.norcalblogs.com/watts/2007/08/1998_no_longer_the_hottest_yea.html
(see the photo?, that little sensor on top the the pole surrounded by a/c units is an example of where the surface temperature data is coming from-sheesh)

Sorry I haven't been around Kahlessa! Life is getting in the way, and I had to finish Deathly Hallows before I even looked at the internet!! Tee hee.

[Kahlessa]

lskeeter said:

Sorry I haven't been around Kahlessa! Life is getting in the way, and I had to finish Deathly Hallows before I even looked at the internet!! Tee hee.

Thanks for posting this, Space Monkey! And be sure to share your reactions to the Deathy Hallows in the Harry Potter section!

[Kahlessa]

Just want to let everyone know that Climate Audit is up and running again!

www.climateaudit.org/

[Lucidity]

Space Monkey and Kahlessa,

Two great links! Thanks. I had already bookmarked ClimateAudit and read what Steve McIntyre was saying, but I didn't have the latest information that is summarized in Watts happening here...

Did either of you check out the website for Kristen Byrnes, that awesome 15-year-old who has been taking on James Hansen, the computer modeler who has gotten more credit than he deserves? Kristen has been photographing and pointing out the problems with the way temperature sensing stations have been set up, too. At one point, she wondered if there were a reliable sensing station in the entire state of Maine, where she lives. I posted her URL over on the other message board, but no one commented so I don't know if anyone looked at it.

I would really like to know that Michael knows about this. It's fairly recent, and he could have missed it.

Something else you guys should know, if you didn't already. I looked up Hansen's blog about Michael, and the first sentence he wrote there is enough to destroy his (Hansen's) credibility in my book. It's a lie. Michael never said what Hansen says he did, and it's not possible, in any case, to do what he asserts that Michael claimed to have done, that is, write SoF (or any other book) using the scientific method. Ridiculous BS. That sounds more like something Hansen might have attempted to do. <G>

*big sigh of happiness* It's so nice to be able to talk about SOF and climate change again!

[Kahlessa]

Great to have you back, Lucidity! I'm glad I can provide a place for us to discuss anything we can't discuss on the Crichton board.

[Kickup]

lucidity said:

Space Monkey and Kahlessa,


Did either of you check out the website for Kristen Byrnes, that awesome 15-year-old who has been taking on James Hansen, the computer modeler who has gotten more credit than he deserves? Kristen has been photographing and pointing out the problems with the way temperature sensing stations have been set up, too. At one point, she wondered if there were a reliable sensing station in the entire state of Maine, where she lives. I posted her URL over on the other message board, but no one commented so I don't know if anyone looked at it.

Hey Luce! I was really interested to check out an on-the-ball teenager, so I clicked the link you provided, but as I remember, it wouldn't open up. I get a big kick out of kids who are showing up the grown ups! Have you posted the link here somewhere? I'd still like to check it out. Thanks!

[Kahlessa]

Here's the link Lucidity posted on the Crichton board. I know I've seen it on Climate Audit as well.

home.earthlink.net/~ponderthemaunder/index.html

[Kickup]

Thanks, Kahlessa! She's amazing! There's hope for our future!

[Space Monkey]

Hey everybody! Hi Luce!!

I found another interesting tid bit about NASA scientist Jim Hansen this morning:

James Hansen received a grant of a quarter of a million dollars and an award from the Teresa Heinz Kerry and her foundation. his acceptance speech: www.heinzawards.net/speechDetail.asp?speechID=6

NASA Chief Downplays Global Warming
Global warming is not a crisis and should not be a high-priority issue for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), NASA Administrator Michael Griffin said in an interview broadcast May 31 on National Public Radio. Griffin’s public comments sparked a remarkably insubordinate tirade of criticism from NASA scientist and perennial global warming alarmist James Hansen.

“I have no doubt that … a trend of global warming exists,” said Griffin. However, he noted, “I am not sure that it is fair to say that it is a problem we must wrestle with. To assume that it is a problem is to assume that the state of Earth’s climate today is the optimal climate, the best climate that we could have or ever have had, and that we need to take steps to make sure that it doesn’t change.”

“Nowhere in NASA’s authorization, which of course governs what we do, is there anything at all telling us that we should take actions to affect climate change in either one way or another,” Griffin added. “We study global climate change–that is in our authorization–we think we do it rather well. I’m proud of that, but NASA is not an agency chartered to quote ‘battle climate change.’”

Hansen, who has received a quarter-of-a-million dollars in grant money from Teresa Heinz Kerry’s left-wing Heinz Foundation, and thereafter publicly endorsed Heinz’s husband, John Kerry, for president in 2004, has given more than 1,400 on-the-job interviews regarding global warming.

Although Hansen’s views conflict with those of Griffin, Hansen’s NASA superiors have rarely if ever said anything directly critical of Hansen’s comments. Nevertheless, Hansen received tremendous media attention last year by asserting NASA was engaging in censorship by asking him to notify his superiors before granting on-the-job interviews.

Despite his claims of being subjected to censorship, Hansen was quick to vilify Griffin for saying global warming is not a crisis.

“It’s unbelievable,” Hansen added. “I thought he had been misquoted. It’s so unbelievable.”

Hansen’s criticisms of Griffin led to a wave of criticism from global warming alarmists, with some calling for Griffin to be fired.

“I was shocked by the statement, and I think the administrator ought to resign. I don’t see how he can be the effective leader of a science agency if he doesn’t understand the threat of global warming,” said Michael Oppenheimer, a Princeton University professor, lead author for the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and longtime manager of the environmental extremist group Environmental Defense, in an interview with ABC News.

full article here: www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=21607


And Luce, I love that teenagers website too!

One other thing....I watched an episode of "Mythbusters" that was on the other night -which those two wacky guys debunked a simple computer model regarding fuel economy: AC on windows up verses AC off windows down, when you are driving your car.

Simple computer model says AC on and windows up saves more gas right? LOL....not so in their test. So my point is how can we think computer models that model something complicated like Earth and climate can be so correct?
Boy this whole GW issue irks me!!
Cheers!

[Kahlessa]

I posted this in the Crichton section but I’ll put it here as well.

Michael Crichton has written a review of Bjorn Lomborg’s new book Cool It: The Skeptical Environmentalist's Guide to Global Warming

Crichton’s review of Cool It
ISBN: 0307266923

The negative reviews are already starting, so I’m going to read the book and post a positive one soon.

One five-star rating at the Barnes & Noble website:
Barnes & Noble - Cool It

And here’s Bjorn Lomborg’s website:
www.lomborg.com/

[Kahlessa]

Questioning 20th Century Warmth
“A recent issue of Science contains an article not likely to receive any press coverage at all. Gerd Bürger of Berlin’s Institut für Meteorologie decided to revisit the work of Osborn and Briffa, and his results raise serious questions about the claim that the 20th century has been unusually warm.”